1 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,960 Do you believe you did the things they say you did? If I did, I wasn't arrested, I was rescued. 2 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,240 The truth of a confession is immaterial. What's important is how it was obtained. 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,360 I'm suggesting Gibson deliberately provoked him. 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,320 How were we to know she was that desperate? Now you can add attempted murder to her list of charges. 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,560 Are you Sean Healy? Yes! 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,840 Will you give this to Paul for me? 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,880 Paul Spector is due to be moved today. 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,720 The next stage of his assessments are about to begin. 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:40,240 Mr Spector. I'm August Larson, the lead clinician here. 10 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:41,880 I need you to go to London. 11 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,480 I don't think we can afford to dismiss the connection 12 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:47,280 between David Alvarez and Paul Spector. 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,360 We've had a request to disclose your dream diary. 14 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,440 He's in hospital, he's incapacitated and yet he's still infecting 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,640 the lives of every person he comes into contact with. 16 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:02,200 If a person is able to do to others what he fears may be done to him, 17 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,400 he may no longer be afraid. 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,280 Doctor, I understand that for you he's a patient, 19 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,280 someone worthy of understanding, compassion, even. 20 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,680 But to me he's a... He's a sexual predator. 21 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,080 I'm Mark Bailey, who are you? 22 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,880 I'm told I'm the Belfast Strangler. 23 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,800 'Detective Superintendent Gibson?' 24 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,640 Dr Larson. What can I do for you? 25 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,560 Mr Spector's defence team 26 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,920 have sent me some excerpts from your diary. 27 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,760 The pages where it is alleged Mr Spector made an entry. 28 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:58,400 I see. 29 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:01,800 'I sense your discomfort.' 30 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,440 I have no doubt, after seeing the entry he made, 31 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,560 knowing that he'd read your journal felt like a violation. 32 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,440 Yes. 33 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,080 May I ask you, 34 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,080 how long have you kept a diary? 35 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,040 All of my life. 36 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:25,280 But not really since I've been in Belfast. 37 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:27,520 'I don't follow.' 38 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,160 What Spector wrote in was more of a dream journal. 39 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,160 'Why do you keep a dream journal?' 40 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,480 Why do you want to know? 41 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,480 Curiosity, probably. 42 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,840 'Initially, I kept it as an investigative tool.' 43 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,840 I trained myself to wake up in the middle of the night and... 44 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,640 ..write down random thoughts. 45 00:02:57,640 --> 00:03:04,320 Then I guess since then, it's become a compulsion, of sorts. 46 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,040 So you see dreams as a kind of problem-solving? 47 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:17,880 I think maybe the sleeping brain makes connections more quickly than the waking mind does. 48 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:20,920 'That is certainly possible.' 49 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,840 I will treat the entries with respect. 50 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:28,960 Thank you. 51 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,840 Goodnight, Dr Larson. 52 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,000 'Goodnight.' 53 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,720 Oi! What's all this! 54 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:12,160 'Paul Spector, a 32-year-old, right-handed male.' 55 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,360 Referred from the criminal justice system for appraisal with regard 56 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,320 to his fitness to plead and stand trial. 57 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,880 The charge sheet gives you an idea of the alleged crimes. 58 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:26,720 Shot in police custody, 59 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,640 he underwent a splenectomy so we should be mindful 60 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,320 of his post-operative condition and ongoing medical needs. 61 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,920 'In hospital, after regaining consciousness, he presented 62 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:45,440 'with severe retrograde amnesia in the absence of significant 63 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:46,760 'anterograde amnesia. 64 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,400 'I'm told Paul Spector never knew his biological father. 65 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,920 'His mother, Mary Garrison, 66 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,880 'committed suicide when he was eight years old. 67 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:02,360 'She hanged herself.' 68 00:07:04,280 --> 00:07:08,440 After a period of two years in a foster home that appears 69 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,520 to have been a stable and safe environment, 70 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,760 he was transferred to Gortnacull House. 71 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,640 He was there for three years. 72 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,320 At 13 he was sent to another home in the South - 73 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,800 Dundalk, County Louth. 74 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:31,600 Apart from a very agitated first wake up and a violent emotional 75 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,600 response to being presented with some of the evidence against him, 76 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,840 the hospital reports him having been docile, 77 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,640 co-operative - friendly, even. 78 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,680 It is also very possible he is someone who acts out 79 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,560 in a dangerous and illegal manner. 80 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,600 'The police officer Detective Superintendent Gibson... 81 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,200 '..who at this stage might well be the person who knows him best, 82 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,320 'suggests he has a narcissistic, sadistic personality.' 83 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:11,920 With regard to his memory loss, he could be feigning, 84 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,720 exaggerating or simply malingering. 85 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:22,000 So I suggest we approach Mr Spector with... 86 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,560 respectful scepticism. 87 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,560 The daily structure is 8 to 9, breakfast, 9 to 10, self-care tasks, 88 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,360 washing, dressing, laundry, bed-making. 89 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,160 10 to 12 is therapy or a 45-minute activity - 90 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:38,880 art, music whatever. 91 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,880 12 to 2 is lunch and rest period. 92 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,640 2 to 4 is therapy or further activity - life skills, 93 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,120 relaxation, self-awareness, cooking. 94 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,520 5 to 6.30 is dinner and rest. 95 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,640 And 6.30 to 9.30 is leisure - pool, watching a movie. 96 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,880 Back in your room at 9.30. Lights out at 10. 97 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,320 Dr Larson will see you later this morning. 98 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,040 Collect your breakfast there. 99 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,480 All right? Eh, wee fry. Just a wee one. 100 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:08,800 You all right, mate? 101 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,400 Ma'am. Yeah. 102 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,680 I have a copy of the letter you asked for. 103 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,200 Thanks. 104 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,680 "I probably shouldn't write this letter to you but this is 105 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:03,720 "hard evidence to you that I exist, exist for you, Paul. 106 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,720 "I can feel you all over me, like that night in your study, 107 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,520 "I feel you crawling through my veins, through my mind, 108 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,440 "you grab and suffocate my thoughts. 109 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,440 "I am in pain for your pleasure. 110 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,520 "I have forsaken my friends, I have forsaken my family, 111 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,720 "I am choosing my next move carefully. 112 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,200 "Their love is fake. 113 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,640 "Fuck everyone who wants me to step into the light. 114 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,920 "It will burn my skin off. 115 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,160 "The skin that I will carve our poetry into 116 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:40,960 "so you will be with me for ever. 117 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,240 "I yearn for you when I stare into the starless midnight. 118 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,320 "You are the vast expanse of the sky. 119 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:53,760 "I don't regret a thing, because the pain is all for you. 120 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,480 "I will still love you when I finally know everything about you. 121 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:58,800 "That's true love." 122 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,360 "I fucking hate this. 123 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,600 "I hate being without you. 124 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,880 "I would kill them all if I could. Crush them. 125 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,080 "Crush them and their pathetic lives." 126 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:25,160 Ma'am, my client accepts that she has breached her bail conditions. Her attempts to contact Mr Spector, 127 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,880 the fact that she stayed away from her home address, 128 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,160 breaching her curfew. 129 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,200 But there are mitigating factors, 130 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,720 Ma'am, that I'd like to draw your attention to. 131 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,640 The defendant lost her father when she was aged 13 132 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,360 in a motorcycle accident, 133 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,760 a shockingly violent accident. 134 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,560 She is now just 16 years old and the best place for her 135 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:46,920 to be at this difficult time is at home. 136 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,760 Her mother, who is present today in court, is prepared to stand surety. 137 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,360 I have checked with the police and they are happy as to 138 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,080 the source of the monies offered by Mrs Benedetto to support the 139 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,840 suretyship, namely savings she has accumulated to... 140 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,800 Mr McSwain, let me just stop you there. 141 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,480 Now, your client is not just in breach of her bail conditions, 142 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,760 she is alleged by the prosecution 143 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,120 to have committed another very serious offence - 144 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,360 throwing a corrosive fluid with intent to harm. 145 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,920 Had it not been for the quick thinking of a friend, who irrigated 146 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,120 her eyes with a drink, the victim might well have lost her sight. 147 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,680 Now, I feel I have no choice, therefore, other than to remand her 148 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:27,400 to the Seapark Juvenile Justice Centre in Bangor. 149 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,600 There she will be appointed a case manager and 150 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,640 a key worker who can assess her needs. 151 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,400 She will be able to attend school also, if she so wishes. 152 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,760 I don't care what you do, or what you think, or say. 153 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,840 The only one who's honest is Paul. 154 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,240 He's the only person I choose to listen to, 155 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,280 the only person who sees this world for what it really is. 156 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,640 Full of sheep like you being fattened for slaughter. 157 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,480 Pigs waiting for the butcher. 158 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,160 You have a lawyer to look after your interests. 159 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,800 Any issues you may have, you address them through him. 160 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,920 Fuck you. Fuck you all. 161 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:06,280 Security, please! 162 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:21,240 You requested all the Susan Harper files? That's right. This is everything that we have here. 163 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:22,400 Well, thank you. 164 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:43,160 OK, so this is what I'm thinking. We lodge civil proceedings and make an abuse of process application. 165 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,600 Adverse publicity? 166 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,080 That certainly, but also police misconduct. 167 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,640 Specifically, Detective Superintendent Gibson. 168 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,680 I want you to draw together all the strands of police and 169 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:55,480 prosecution behaviour that has been questionable. 170 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,280 Starting with the stage-managed arrest? Before that. 171 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,640 From the point the investigation assumed his guilt and focused 172 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:03,800 on him and him alone. 173 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,840 Stage managing the arrest, the additional sexual oppression, 174 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,880 the failure to bring him to court promptly once he was charged, 175 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,320 all of it a vendetta from the start against our client. 176 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,480 Do you think that adds up to misconduct of sufficient gravity? 177 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:19,600 To warrant a stay? 178 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,320 Maybe not, but it will certainly cause a delay. 179 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,880 We need more than just issues of competency to work with. 180 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,880 The abuse of process application more than adds up. 181 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:36,640 You suspect that Gibson had a previous relationship with Burns. 182 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,400 It seems she has also had liaisons with other colleagues. 183 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,480 Spector was in the hotel room when Burns was there with Gibson. 184 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,560 Let's assume therefore that Spector had knowledge of that relationship. 185 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,800 He also had access to her dream diary which gave him insights 186 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,920 into her other liaisons. 187 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,600 What if the damage this could cause Stella Gibson's career was 188 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,320 a possible motive for her failure to protect him in the forest? 189 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,040 Spector's whereabouts were leaked by a detention officer within 190 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,000 the custody suite. 191 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,160 What if Gibson was in on that leak? 192 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,000 What if Spector's life was deliberately put at risk by Gibson 193 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,680 through police misconduct? 194 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,400 Everyone knew Tyler was out there with a loaded gun and 195 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,520 a clearly stated aim to find and kill Spector. 196 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:23,960 And she let it happen. 197 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:26,640 Let's make her pay. 198 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,440 Do you have your own room key? 199 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:02,280 No. 200 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:06,480 I do. 201 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,320 I'm allowed to feed the fish in the aquarium. 202 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,920 I used to help with serving the meals 203 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:21,720 but I gave larger portions to people I liked so, 204 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,720 I'm not allowed to do that any more. 205 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,720 I have art today, so... 206 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,440 Wasn't well, better now. 207 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,320 Wasn't well, better now. 208 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:53,760 "I don't think there was any criminal intent. She approached you, she invited you back 209 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,440 "to her place. I'm not saying she was asking for it necessarily, 210 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,520 "but we've all been there, too much to drink, 211 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,200 "one thing leads to another, things get out of hand. 212 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,560 "We're used to dealing with these sorts of offences. 213 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,880 "We understand how these things can happen." 214 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:07,600 What officer is that talking? 215 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,200 Er, this is Rees. 216 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,560 "What did she do to anger you, David? 217 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,160 "Did she insult you? What made it turn nasty? 218 00:17:16,120 --> 00:17:19,360 "Was she still dressed when you had sex with her?" 219 00:17:19,360 --> 00:17:21,400 "Alvarez: Maybe." 220 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,680 "She wasn't was she? She was naked. Did she ask you to tie her up? 221 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,640 "David? Was she into bondage? Tell us how you killed her." 222 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,520 "I strangled her." 223 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,400 "How did you strangle her?" "With my belt." 224 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,920 "You see, David, if you say that, you're not helping me. 225 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,760 "You didn't use your belt, did you?" "No." "What did you use? 226 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,560 "Come on, David, think about what you used." 227 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,320 "Hathaway: You'd taken your clothes off, David. 228 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,080 "You were naked, weren't you?" 229 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:55,120 "Yes." "So what did you use to strangle her?" 230 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:57,640 "Just my hands, just my bare hands." 231 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,360 "There were no strangulation marks on her neck, David. 232 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:03,680 "None. Were there any pillows on the bed, David?" 233 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,080 "I smothered her. 234 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:09,040 "I took a pillow and put it over her face and smothered her." 235 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,360 I mean, Jesus, there's leading the witness and there's shoving 236 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:13,680 words down his throat. 237 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,160 Why weren't Alvarez's defence all over this? 238 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,000 I'm afraid the typical relationship 239 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,520 between a psychiatrist and patient, where everything that is said 240 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,720 in this room is confidential, does not apply. 241 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,920 Anything you tell me can be put in the report. 242 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,000 Because it is the Court that has asked me to conduct 243 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:44,440 the evaluation, you don't have the right to refuse to participate. 244 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,280 Even if you, for example, choose not to answer my questions, 245 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:52,280 I will still need to provide the written report that will be 246 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,280 sent to the court and made available to your lawyer. 247 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,880 If the judge orders a hearing on the issue of your competency 248 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,200 I might be called to testify in court. 249 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,560 Do you understand? 250 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,960 Yes, I do. I will answer your questions. 251 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,040 Good. 252 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:12,280 That's good. 253 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,240 Tom. Have a look at this. 254 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,760 This was a key part of the prosecution's case. 255 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,440 That's the victim, Susan Harper, and that's David Alvarez leaving 256 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:26,880 the nightclub together. 257 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,200 Who is that, do you think? 258 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,560 Do you understand the police's version of events? 259 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,400 The severity of the charges? 260 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:47,920 Yes, I do. 261 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,160 Do you remember making a confession? 262 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,000 No. 263 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,920 Can you provide a reasonable account of your behaviour around the time 264 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,840 of the various alleged offences? 265 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,120 No. 266 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,640 Or your state of mind? 267 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:13,680 No. 268 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:24,480 Do you think you could manage your emotions and behaviour 269 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:25,800 in a courtroom? 270 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:29,960 I think I could, yes. 271 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,920 Do you think you would be able to keep track of events 272 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,680 as they unfolded? 273 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,040 Yes. 274 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:42,920 Would you be able to challenge witnesses? 275 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:47,160 That is, to recognise distortions in witness testimony? 276 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,120 No, I wouldn't be able to do that. 277 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,160 Not unless my memory returned. 278 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,480 Do you understand the sentence that could be imposed on you 279 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:02,880 if you are found guilty? 280 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,440 I would spend the rest of my life in prison. 281 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,240 Will my memory return, Doctor? 282 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:18,360 Do you want it to? 283 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,560 I might have something significant, ma'am. 284 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,400 A Peter Baldwin working as a waiter in 285 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,960 a Caribbean restaurant called the Plantain Garden. 286 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,200 And the restaurant went bust, 287 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,640 closed in 2008, but the owner still has his paperwork. 288 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,200 He had reason to give Peter Baldwin a warning, 289 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,360 a reprimand that stayed on file. 290 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,640 It's dated Saturday August the 17th, 2002. 291 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,040 The day before the Harper murder. 292 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,280 Why was he reprimanded? 293 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,760 An argument with a customer that turned nasty, came to blows. 294 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,040 And the owner positively identified Spector? 295 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,320 I sent him all the photographs we have on file. 296 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,520 He seems pretty certain. 297 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,720 The restaurant was in SW9. 298 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,120 Susan Harper's flat was in SW16. 299 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,280 That's Brixton and Streatham. 300 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,080 Both in Lambeth. 301 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,440 I will, thanks for letting us know. 302 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,720 The police say they have fresh evidence to put to Spector. 303 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,840 What sort of evidence? 304 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,200 Forensic, documentary. 305 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,920 Apparently they have found a lock-up rented by Spector. 306 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,280 They want to interview him about the contents. 307 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,840 Oh, fuck! 308 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,560 I'll need to see proof of that and all the information that was 309 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,640 placed before the judge to get those warrants. 310 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,720 Get back to the PPS first thing in the morning. 311 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,520 I want full disclosure. 312 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,200 Oh also, contact The Foyle, 313 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,280 see if Larson thinks Spector's fit to be interviewed. 314 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:47,720 Fuck! 315 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:55,440 'It could be Spector.' Rose Stagg puts Spector in London at the right time. 316 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,200 '22 years old, clean-shaven. 317 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,080 'It's hard to tell.' 318 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,160 No, it's not. 319 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,480 That's him. 320 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:05,680 I know it's him. 321 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,520 Well, we couldn't quite believe the interrogation tactics - 322 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,920 a classic old school interview - 323 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,520 trickery, deceit, psychological manipulation. 324 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,840 Alvarez thought he'd be able to go home after confessing. 325 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,320 And it seems he fell for it all. 326 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,520 For some reason he seemed eager to please. 327 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,800 I've no idea why the defence team weren't all over it. 328 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,800 All the evidence was pretty strong - the only other fingerprints found at 329 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,480 her flat were Alvarez's and the only DNA recovered from her body was his. 330 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,800 True, but when it comes to the actual murder they had 331 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,200 to lead him by the nose to get him to where they wanted him to be. 332 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,840 He really seemed to lack detailed knowledge. 333 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,720 I have a good feeling about this. 334 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,800 I can smell Spector's involvement. 335 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,040 And when do you see Alvarez? 336 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,080 In the morning. 337 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,880 Call me with any developments. 338 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,960 Goodnight. Goodnight. 339 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,240 We can order things off the nurses. 340 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,960 They go shopping twice a week. 341 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,480 You just give them the money and they'll get you the things you want. 342 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,480 I don't have any money. 343 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:51,720 Oh. 344 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,040 Why are you in this place? 345 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,360 Don't tell me if you don't want to. 346 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,040 I twisted my sister's arm. 347 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,000 I twisted it so far round it broke. 348 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,760 Why did you do that? 349 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,520 I had a haircut. 350 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,440 It... 351 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,720 gave me a new personality. It made me more feminine. 352 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,080 I thought I was turning homosexual. 353 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,800 When I came home, my sister said I looked gay. 354 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,080 So I twisted her arm. 355 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,040 She was screaming and I didn't stop. 356 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,400 Then it snapped. 357 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,680 Then I suppose I...panicked. 358 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,680 How old was she? 359 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,120 Younger than me. 360 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,280 How much younger? Quite a lot younger. 361 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,760 What's your diagnosis? 362 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,480 A psychotic with convulsive disorder. 363 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,080 They say I had childhood schizophrenia. 364 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,640 I thought there were hidden messages in the colours of cars 365 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,960 passing on the street. 366 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,960 I started communicating with car sounds. 367 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,240 And then the sounds turned into voices. 368 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,440 What kind of voices? 369 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,360 Like...people, but just out of hearing. 370 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,560 When I'm bad, I see faces in the mirror. 371 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,600 The risperidone helps. 372 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,320 How long have you been in this place? 373 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,560 Five years. 374 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,760 I was on the news, but not like you. 375 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,920 It's time to go to your room now, Paul. 376 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,680 12, is the answer to your question. 377 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:23,800 What? 378 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,680 Mark Bailey's sister. 12 years old. 379 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,560 And he left out the best bit. 380 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,800 After he broke his sister's arm, 381 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,160 he raped her, then carried her into the street, 382 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,600 threw her into a passing bin lorry that crushed her to death. 383 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:42,960 The dregs of humanity. 384 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,600 Sweet dreams. 385 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:10,960 Anderson. 386 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,440 'It's Assistant Chief Constable Burns.' 387 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,920 Er, good evening, sir. 388 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,840 I understand you're seeing Alvarez tomorrow? 389 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,120 'Yes, sir.' 390 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,280 I thought I might tell you something about Gortnacull 391 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,720 that might be useful. 392 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,200 Thank you, sir. 393 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,520 I remember... 394 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,720 ..when I arrived there, being struck by how grand-looking it was. 395 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,560 Lovely gardens, outside pool, 396 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,040 views over Belfast Lough. 397 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,480 Apparently so much more than 398 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,440 the boys would have been used to at home in Belfast. 399 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,440 Just off the entrance hall there was a large dining room. 400 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,760 All the boys we interviewed 401 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,120 told of how they were taken there every day... 402 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,000 ..and made to masturbate 403 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,560 to entertain the staff members. 404 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,400 Masturbate themselves, 405 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,280 masturbate members of staff. 406 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,080 We did fluorescence tests on the carpet. 407 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,200 It was covered in stains. 408 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:57,040 David Alvarez was there at the same time as Paul Spector... 409 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,960 as Peter Baldwin. 410 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,600 He would know about that. 411 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,200 He would remember that dining room. 412 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,200 That-that was all. 413 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,120 Just... 414 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,040 That was all. 415 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,280 I just took a call from the DPP, ma'am. 416 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,200 It seems that Sean Healy has lodged a complaint against you 417 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,520 with the Police Ombudsman. 418 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:32,760 I see. 419 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,040 Also an abuse of process application. 420 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,320 You'd better give me the details. 421 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,640 This is my client, David Alvarez. 422 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:59,560 David, this is Detective Sergeant Tom Anderson and PC Dani Ferrington. 423 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,960 Thanks very much for talking to us, David. 424 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,520 I haven't yet. 425 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,360 You understand that it's in connection with 426 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,920 your conviction for murder? 427 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,560 Frazer's explained, yes. Good. 428 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,840 I wonder, do you recognise this man? 429 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,960 For the purposes of the tape, 430 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,480 I'm showing David a picture of a male individual. 431 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,160 I do, yes. 432 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,080 What name do you know him by? 433 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,480 Peter Baldwin. 434 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,200 How do you know Peter Baldwin? 435 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,080 We were in Gortnacull House together. 436 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,560 When was that? 437 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,320 Ah, I was there from 1990 to 1994. 438 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,600 I'm a year younger than him. Right. 439 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,880 And when was the last time that you saw Peter Baldwin? 440 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,680 In 2002. 441 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,400 Where was that? In London. 442 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,520 And what were the circumstances of that meeting? 443 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,000 Was he there at your invitation? No, we met by chance. 444 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,600 The last time I'd seen him was at Gortnacull when I was 12. 445 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,960 At Gortnacull with Father Jensen. 446 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,240 Perhaps we can talk about the period in your life 447 00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:19,840 before you were first incarcerated. 448 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,880 When you compiled your own map of Dundalk. 449 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,640 What do you want to know? 450 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,200 When did that behaviour begin for you? 451 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,160 What behaviour? 452 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,720 The voyeurism. 453 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,680 Around that age. 13 or so. 454 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,080 What were you seeking, do you think, in behaving in that way? 455 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:48,760 Relief. 456 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,640 From? 457 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:53,760 Boredom. 458 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,360 Loneliness. 459 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,680 It was exciting that they were... 460 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,640 unsuspecting, unaware. 461 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:09,480 Because of the possibility of seeing someone naked, or disrobing, 462 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,920 or engaging in sexual activity? 463 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,640 No, not just that. 464 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:17,880 Then what? 465 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,840 Seeing into homes. 466 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,160 Real homes. 467 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,640 Comfortable, warm. 468 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,120 A glimpse into lives being led. 469 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:36,920 Full lives. 470 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,200 I'd imagine myself in those homes, 471 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,080 as part of those lives, at the dinner table... 472 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,680 watching television with the fire on. 473 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,800 How did it make you feel, being on the outside looking in? 474 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,360 Lonely. 475 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,080 Angry? 476 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,520 Yes. 477 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,600 Aroused? 478 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,800 When did you start breaking in? 479 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,320 When I'd built up the courage. 480 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,280 How did you do that? 481 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,200 I'd get closer to them. 482 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,080 How? 483 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,680 I'd telephone them. 484 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,640 Deliver their newspapers. 485 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,160 Ride with them on the bus. 486 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,200 Once, I even carried a woman's shopping home for her. 487 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,320 Were the break-ins spontaneous, or did you plan? 488 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,840 I made extensive, elaborate plans. 489 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,400 I discovered that it was easy. 490 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,400 For the most part, people feel safe. 491 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,440 They forget to turn the alarm on, 492 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,880 leave windows open, patio doors. 493 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,760 I didn't want anyone to feel safe. 494 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,480 Why should they have that luxury? 495 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,800 We just hung out. We drank, we took drugs. 496 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,320 What sort of drugs? 497 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,320 Coke, mainly. 498 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,760 Where was this? 499 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,800 In Brixton. 500 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:38,480 We shared a flat in Brixton, in Coldharbour Lane. 501 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,120 Were you with Paul Spector... 502 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,960 Peter Baldwin... 503 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,440 on the night that Susan Harper died, David? 504 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,280 We think you were. 505 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:04,920 I'm producing a lap top showing CCTV footage of Exhibit NS1. 506 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,600 Taken from Edenvale Road, London, SW9, 507 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,840 on Sunday the 18th of August 2002 at 1:45am. 508 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,320 We think that's Paul Spector, 509 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,520 leaving the club with you and Susan on the night that she died. 510 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,240 So your interest in voyeurism gave way to a desire to 511 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:33,880 break into the observed space? 512 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,960 To violate those individuals in a more intimate way? 513 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,600 You're thinking that the voyeurism was a... 514 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:50,160 ..precursor to more aggressive sexual deviancies? 515 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:56,000 No, I'm just trying to understand the progression of your criminality. 516 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,720 I thought I'd put it all behind me. 517 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:08,600 When I married Sally Ann. When Olivia was born. 518 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,240 I thought that was all in the past, 519 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:15,040 troubles of my youth. 520 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,480 But now I'm being told that 521 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,120 it was the opposite. 522 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,560 Like an addict, I'd gone from bad to worse. 523 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,040 In my view, those distortions originate from 524 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,440 a variety of places in childhood. 525 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,440 Childhood victimization. 526 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,000 Faulty family relationships. 527 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,280 General psychological distress. 528 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,240 They are not so easily dealt with. 529 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,200 Not without help. 530 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,480 They are not so easily cast aside. 531 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:01,640 'Did you confess 532 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,000 'because you felt guilty about the offence?' 533 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:06,480 Maybe. 534 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,480 Maybe, yes. 535 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,160 Or to protect someone? 536 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,400 You see, David, when I look at this interview... 537 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,000 ..like...I can see you've... 538 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,480 ..you've no idea how the murder took place. 539 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,120 You don't even know if there was a murder. 540 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,240 I can see that you were led and prompted by the detectives 541 00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:35,640 in a shameful and unprofessional manner. 542 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,040 It's time to tell the truth, David. 543 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,360 I have here the transcript of that interview, 544 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,600 dated the 22nd of August 2002. 545 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,160 Reese - "Why was there a washing-up bowl by the bed, David?" 546 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,960 "What?" "A plastic washing-up bowl." 547 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,440 "I don't know." 548 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,240 "What colour was that bowl?" "Blue?" 549 00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:01,000 "Were you cleaning up the scene, washing your hands, what?" 550 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,240 "I was stoned." 551 00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:05,280 "Oh, so now you were stoned?" "I'd been drinking." 552 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,440 "So what colour was the bowl?" 553 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,760 "Grey? Green? Brown?" 554 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,840 "Green, David, yes." 555 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,320 I think I know why that bowl was there. 556 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,280 And it relates to the modus operandi of Paul Spector, Peter Baldwin. 557 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,720 Are you sure he killed all those girls? 558 00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:43,280 Yes, we are. 559 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,240 Why are you protecting him, David? 560 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,520 No-one has any idea how bad Gortnacull House was. 561 00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,360 Only those that were there. 562 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,200 I have some idea. 563 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,920 No, you fucking don't. 564 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,160 Then tell me. 565 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,440 Tell me, David. Tell me about the dining room. 566 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,000 Was there morning assemblies? 567 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,640 How do you know about that? 568 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,440 One of my colleagues was the arresting officer 569 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,080 who put Jensen and several others in prison. 570 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,920 And they did forensic tests there, 571 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,840 and they found the carpet in that room 572 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,440 covered in semen stains. 573 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:46,840 David? 574 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,680 Is that something that happened to you? 575 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,240 Did you have to masturbate in front of other boys, staff? 576 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,080 Everyone did. Peter Baldwin? 577 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,800 I said, "Everyone did." 578 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,640 Me, Pretty Boy... 579 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,120 ..everyone did, at one time or another. 580 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,720 Pretty Boy? 581 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,040 Jensen's name. For Spector? 582 00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:25,400 For Baldwin, Spector, whatever. 583 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,880 Jensen always had a favourite. 584 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,680 A boy of about 12 or 13 years of age 585 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,080 that he would single out for his special attentions. 586 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,520 And the tradition was that when he was leaving, 587 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,000 a special boy had to nominate his successor. 588 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,120 So Jensen and Baldwin came to our dormitory one night. 589 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:57,480 Peter was due to leave, and Jensen made Peter choose. 590 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,120 He could have chose me. 591 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,840 He looked straight at me. Straight at me. 592 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,320 Jensen looked straight at me. 593 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:19,040 And I knew Jensen wanted me. I felt it. 594 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,080 But Peter walked straight past me and chose another boy. 595 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,360 I don't know who, some poor fuck. 596 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,360 I didn't look, I didn't even care. 597 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,200 Just as long as it wasn't me. 598 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,080 Just as long as it wasn't me. 599 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,760 Being Jensen's favourite was the worst thing... 600 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,880 the worst thing you can imagine. 601 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,080 David... 602 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,720 ..are you certain that Baldwin, Paul Spector, 603 00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:01,440 was Jensen's favourite? 604 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,240 For a full year. 605 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,080 Every night and every day for a full year. 606 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,800 Do you know why your mother took her own life? 607 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,840 Hmm... 608 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,920 Because my love wasn't enough for her, 609 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,560 enough to...keep her alive. 610 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,240 Whenever I was ill, as a child... 611 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,000 ..she'd take me into her bed and care for me. 612 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,360 And Baldwin would sleep in mine. 613 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,000 And when he left, she was... 614 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,360 ..so sad that I slept in there with her, every night. 615 00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:04,680 Just me and her in the world. 616 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,200 The car lights would sweep across the ceiling... 617 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,680 ..and I'd imagine that... 618 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,640 ..we were on a raft together drifting in the water. 619 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:25,120 Just me and her in the world but we had each other. 620 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,560 I still remember her smell, the smell of her clothes. 621 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,160 On my eighth birthday... 622 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,400 ..after he'd left... 623 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,840 she told me that... he wasn't my father. 624 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,680 That my real father... 625 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,040 ..unreal father... 626 00:46:57,720 --> 00:47:01,880 ..was a British soldier who was gone before I was born. Hm. 627 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,560 That was her...birthday gift to me. 628 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,440 Ten days later, she was dead. 629 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,320 Were you the one to find her? 630 00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:26,920 It was a school day. 631 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,480 She wasn't there at the gate to pick me up, 632 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,720 so I walked home. 633 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,040 Rang the doorbell, there was no answer. 634 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,200 But there was a key under the mat, so... 635 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,200 ..so I let myself in. 636 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,520 I shouted out, there was no reply. The radio was on. 637 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,240 I looked around. 638 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,400 I went upstairs... 639 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,240 ..pushed against her bedroom. 640 00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:09,200 There was a...thump against the door. 641 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,200 So I pushed more until I got in. 642 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,640 And...she was on the back of the door... 643 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,880 ..belts around her neck. 644 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,840 I shouted at her, but there was no response. 645 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,560 I didn't know if she was dead or alive. 646 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,280 I called 999. The ambulance men came. 647 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:44,640 They, erm... 648 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,600 ..they told me to wait in my room. 649 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,480 I looked out the window and... 650 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,160 ..I remember this red blanket that they used 651 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,280 to cover her when they wheeled her out. 652 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,880 All that day, people came and went 653 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,360 and nobody told me what had happened. 654 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,520 Then later someone said that she'd "gone to a better place." 655 00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:19,400 I suppose I knew she was dead but... 656 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,200 there was a part of me that thought maybe she was alive... 657 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,440 ..living elsewhere... 658 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,600 ..in a better place because I wasn't there. 659 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,520 The last memory I have of her, she was very angry with me, 660 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,280 angry for something I'd done. 661 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,000 I don't know what. 662 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,960 You know you worked on a suicide helpline for some years? 663 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:52,680 No. 664 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:55,920 You did. 665 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,280 And, of course, as a bereavement counsellor. 666 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,160 Why were you drawn to that line of work, do you think? 667 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,520 Something morbid in me, I suppose. 668 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,240 After my mother died... 669 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,600 ..I had this...recurring dream. 670 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,280 I was lying in a coffin... 671 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,280 ..and I was cut up into... 672 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,480 ..small chunks. 673 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,920 But there was a nerve that ran through every piece 674 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,840 that was connected to my brain. 675 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,640 Hm. 676 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,840 That sounds very frightening. 677 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,600 'Why would he take the blame, David Alvarez? 678 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,680 'Why would he do that for Spector?' 679 00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,880 'Beyond the debt of gratitude?' 680 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,760 'It's clear he felt guilty. He was part of it, after all. 681 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,680 'He wrote long rambling letters of apology 682 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,680 'to Susan Harper's parents from prison. 683 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,680 'In his interviews he seems very vulnerable...and suggestible. 684 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,720 'I guess he's toughened up in prison, 685 00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:19,640 'but I wonder if he didn't get off on it in some way at the time.' 686 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,400 He seemed very flattered by the detectives' 687 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,120 "boys will be boys" bullshit. 688 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,000 And, suddenly, he was the centre of attention, a kind of celebrity. 689 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,440 Oh. Have you spoken to Chris George? 690 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,960 Is he going to want a Met officer to sit in on any 691 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,040 further interviews regarding the Harper murder? 692 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,920 He's happy for you to represent the Met, 693 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,160 and he said he'll back us if we reopen the Alvarez investigation. 694 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,440 That's great news. 695 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,800 We're seeing Spector tomorrow to put the new evidence 696 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,440 from the lock-up to him. When are you back? 697 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,120 First thing. I'll go straight to the Serious Crime Suite. 698 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,880 Good work, Tom. Let's hope so. 699 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,560 Detective Superintendent Gibson. 700 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,920 'This interview is being recorded at the Down Serious Crime Suite. 701 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:10,800 'The date is the 16th of May 2012 and the time, by my watch, is 1400. 702 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,760 'I'm Detective Sergeant Anderson, and the other police officer present 703 00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,800 'is Detective Superintendent Gibson.' 704 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,320 Can you please state your full name and date of birth? 705 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:22,760 Peter Paul Spector, 25th of May 1979. 706 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,120 And also present is? Sean Healy, solicitor. 707 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,320 And at the conclusion of the interview 708 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,560 'I'll give a notice of how you can obtain a copy of the tapes. 709 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,200 'You do not have to say anything, 710 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,680 'but I must caution you if you do not mention when questioned 711 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,440 'something you later rely on in court, it may harm your defence. 712 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,600 'If you do say anything, it may be given in evidence. 713 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,360 'Do you understand the caution?' 714 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,240 'Yes.' 715 00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:47,680 'We have reason to believe that you rented' 716 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:52,320 a lock-up as a storage unit in the name of Peter Baldwin. 717 00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,920 I'm showing a lease agreement for that lock-up. 718 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,840 Is that your signature on the document? 719 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,200 For the benefit of the tape, 720 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,760 Paul Spector has declined to answer the question. 721 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,880 So, in that lock-up, along with a car we believe you stole, 722 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,760 we found a number of items that we'd like you to account for. 723 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,600 Now, we believe that these...documents, 724 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,880 these diaries or journals, are your work. 725 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,640 I'm showing exhibit ME369, 726 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:33,280 which is a journal, and also a copy of the contents of the journal. 727 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:39,040 Now...are you able to identify the subject of this journal, 728 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,280 a woman with the initials RW? 729 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,320 No. This is pointless. 730 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,520 My client is undergoing assessment 731 00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,520 because he is suffering retrograde amnesia 732 00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,960 which covers all autobiographical memory 733 00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,160 for a period of six years or so. 734 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,000 Then perhaps you recognise this man? 735 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,880 I'm showing a photograph of a male person. 736 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,400 What's this? 737 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,160 We believe he was with you in Gortnacull Children's Home 738 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:15,720 and that you met him again in 2002, in London, 739 00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:17,120 which is a period that falls 740 00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,920 outside the timeframe of your purported amnesia. 741 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,400 What has this got to do with the contents of the lock-up? 742 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,280 Before my client answers... 743 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,240 ..could you please explain the relevance of this photograph? 744 00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:31,600 This man is, at present, serving a life sentence for a murder, 745 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,360 a murder he committed in 2002. 746 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,400 Even then, I'm sorry, but it falls outside the scope of this interview. 747 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:37,760 The murder of this woman. 748 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,480 I'm showing a photograph of the female victim. 749 00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,400 DCI Eastwood has just entered the room at 14:03. 750 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,560 Paul Spector, I am further arresting you 751 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,920 for the murder of Susan Harper 752 00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,880 at Flat 16 Thornton Rise, 753 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:04,560 'SW16 3CV, on the 18th of the eighth, 2002.' 754 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,840 I must remind you that you are still under caution. 755 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,840 I insist this interview be suspended. 756 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,480 I must take instruction from Mr Spector. 757 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,400 Do you recognise this man? Do you know his name? 758 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,240 David Alvarez. This interview stops now. 759 00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,640 Interview has been suspended at 14:04 760 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,000 so that Paul Spector can consult with his solicitor. 761 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,680 Who the fuck is David Alvarez? 762 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,440 Just as they've said, 763 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,360 someone I knew when I was a child and then again in London in 2002. 764 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,160 A convicted murderer? 765 00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,240 Yes. What is going on? 766 00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,080 The police have been clever. 767 00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,560 They have something on me that I can actually remember.